JULY 2006

news and documents from Iraq

The dogs of Birmingham and Baghdad

By Rami G. Khouri
Commentary by
Saturday, June 24, 2006

An open letter to Condoleezza Rice:

Dear Dr. Rice,

Since in the past year you have passionately and sincerely expressed your hopes for an Arab future of freedom and democracy, I thought you might benefit from some equally honest and humble thoughts in return. The American civil rights movement and the Arab quest for freedom and democracy have effectively framed my own life, as a student in the US in the1960s and an adult working in the Arab world for a democratic future. I was especially moved when you spoke last October, during your visit to your hometown of Birmingham, Alabama, about remembering your childhood friends who were killed in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church by white racists in 1963. You've spoken of your own life's transformation - from a segregated childhood to success in academia and then joining the world's top decision-makers - as "an example of a very American story."

Indeed, it is an inspiring story, but you should be fully aware of how that story plays out when viewed from abroad, in the context of America's total policies at home and abroad. The epitome of the racist mentality in Birmingham in your youth was police chief Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor. He routinely unleashed fire hoses, baton-swinging deputies and vicious police dogs against the nonviolent demonstrators who demanded only that they be treated as human beings.

The individual and collective quest for freedom and dignity may be the strongest force on earth. It pushes ordinary people to do extraordinary things, as happened in Birmingham when young children marched into the fire hoses and stood their ground before Bull Connor's police dogs. The spirit of Birmingham is about transcending fear, and affirming humanity. It takes special courage and moral certitude to stand one's ground in front of the violent, intemperate hatred and ignorance that Bull Connor represented.

I see that same spirit around me in the Arab world today. I have many courageous Arab friends and colleagues who similarly stand up today to their own violent, intolerant governments, or foreign military occupiers, knowing they may be killed, injured or imprisoned. They stand up and resist fearlessly, defying danger and intimidation, because they are fired by the same passions that fueled the civil-rights movement in your country.

So I write you today because in my passion for your twin nods to American civil rights and Arab democratic freedoms, I also see a fatal flaw that causes your exhortations to fall on deaf ears in most of the Middle East. That saddens me, because I sense that your sentiments are sincere, and I also firmly believe that your mission must not fail - for your sake and ours; but your drive to promote Arab freedom can only succeed if it sheds its inherent flaw. The main flaw is somewhat personal for you, which is why I send you this letter. It is simply this: In the eyes of most people in the Arab world, the United States is the Bull Connor of our generation. The worst symbol of this is that your country, on your foreign policy watch, has sent police dogs to Iraq to humiliate and terrorize prisoners at Abu Ghraib and other detention centers. In the same way, the use of Bull Connor's police dogs to degrade your fellow citizens in the early 1960s became a lasting symbol of American racism and American anti-racist heroism.

Of course, these are only symbols, not the full story. Bull Connor's dogs are now long gone. Some abusive American soldiers at Abu Ghraib have been tried in court. But the symbols matter - for they do reflect realities and are not imagined evils, they burn deep images into human minds and hearts, they endure for generations.

You should be careful about using the imagery of the civil rights movement to promote Arab freedom, because your government and its policies look to many of us like Bull Connor, complete with the dogs. You simply are not credible when you evoke the civil rights struggle to inspire us, and then send police dogs to torment us. We love your inspirational exhortations, but we despise and reject your dogs.

The dogs are symbols, of course, of a wider policy and a larger reality. But the images of the dogs - in Birmingham and Baghdad - remain the most sharply etched in my own mind. Many other images and symbols come to mind, too. Young children killed. Old people degraded. Terror bombs hurled against innocent civilians. Houses destroyed. Young men lynched. Families and entire communities finding solace in their holy books and their shared God. Police and armies using massive force against marching schoolchildren or rock-throwing kids. And inspiring leaders thrown into jail.

We can choose any of these, and many other images that permeate your nation's recent struggle for dignity, and our ongoing one also. In the final analysis, these struggles have validity only if they are truly universal. Martin Luther King, Jr., in his famous letter from a Birmingham jail, wrote in your city, when you were a child: "I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."

If you want us in the Arab world to respond to your powerful analogy of the American civil-rights movement as a harbinger of what is possible in a single lifetime, you must deal more honestly with the problem and the symbolism of your dogs - official American dogs, sent with your army, as part of your foreign policy.

I hope you accept these thoughts in the spirit in which they are written - with profound awe and humility before those who struggle for civil rights in your country, and in deep solidarity with those in the Arab world who muster the same spirit in their own fight against oppression and foreign domination. You need to do some more work and introspective thinking to credibly connect those two worlds and eras, as we are trying to do here every day.

In the battle for freedom and justice in the Middle East, or anywhere else in the world, one cannot simultaneously preach the morality of Martin Luther King, Jr., pursue the policies of Bull Connor, and expect to be taken seriously.

Rami G. Khouri writes a regular commentary for The Daily Star.

 A.A is an Assoc. Prof. who left Iraq because of the misery of living there on the verge of poverty and even literally , on the verge of existence , in addition to the maltreatment of authorities in the kicked regime , and for several other reasons , preferably to stay in camera ! “ One is never sure if his story is revealed , one would be safe enough to live – even if the story is not as important as it might look to others.”, he said .

       How do you look to the future of Iraq?

    “ Iraq will not settle down in the very near future. The foreseen horizon will look as dark as it is right now, and it may continue to be like that for some time. One reason for such a gloomy prediction may be the various colliding interests of different neighboring regions interfering in the Iraqi question . What appears on the surface in Iraq, is only the top of the iceberg. “   

       Do you think that the American democracy is the right policy for the new Iraqi government ?

    “The American democracy is successful in America , it might be so in Iraq. But, because of certain obvious difference between the two societies such a democracy should be amended a little in order to fit the Iraqi needs and interests.”       

       Do you believe in Federalism especially for the Kurds?

“ If federalism is beneficial for the Iraqi population , it might be the best way to control the present abnormal and dangerous environment and also to let the numerous factious live in peace and somewhat in prosperity. Previously, and even at the present time , Iraq wealth is being robbed and misused by all sorts of parties residents and non-residents on the Iraqi soil. On their part , the Kurds , as it seems and as it is well-known , insist on federalism which is practically in existence since the downfall of the previous regime . The Kurds have done their best , and will continue to do their best , to achieve their dreams and ambitions of having a separate entity where other Kurds from other countries might ( not might , but will ) collaborate to build their long –dream fortress on the northern region of Iraq , being assisted one way or another by foreign regimes and also being restrained by other regimes surrounding them. The Kurds behave as a factor of disturbance in The Middle East .”

       Being outside the country , explain your true feelings

    towards what is going on in Iraq today. 

         “ How would one feel abroad if one is always on the brink of losing his job and peace of mind and is always bombarded by trouble of all sorts and of the feeling that there is No news is good news ?!’

The terrible murders and disturbances and the obvious disloyalties of certain people in responsible places , only make it quite difficult to be at peace with one’s self .People abroad"  Thank You

My name is Y.H. a 42 years old , Iraqi Asst. Prof. who served for 18 years in the University of Baghdad, before leaving  Iraq ( 2 years after the American-British occupation to my beloved country) owing to fears of my safety and all the massive destruction caused by the brutal invaders.

How do you look to the future of Iraq?  

      “In fact , Iraqis managed to organize their own society for about 3000 years before America was discovered in what were some of the earliest human civilizations. Before the U.S. invasion, Iraq was one of the few Muslim countries where city life was more like Europe than it is in other regimes supporting Bush’s Imperial War. It is the most vicious, ignorant racism to assume they cannot run their own country without the Americans and their allies.

So what would happen if the U.S. military leaves Iraq and all the troops go back home now?

May be some Iraqi multimillionaires will buy up the government and pocket the oil money. That would be the American way. Maybe some religious political parties will get control of the government. Well, Washington politicians use Islamic fundamentalism as a boogeyman to scare people into supporting the occupation. They do not give a damn about the rights of Iraqi women, or religious minorities, or democracy  so long as their fat checks come in, and they stay rich and powerful. May be there will be bloodshed, a civil war, and a period of unrest until the Iraqis figure out who is going to be in charge . But one thing there won’t be is a foreign, invading, occupying military power suffocating all of Iraqi society and generating a national resistance movement that makes the whole country a war zone. Yet , the future of Iraq is not at all promising , at least for five years to come.“

       Do you think that the American democracy is the right policy for the new Iraqi government ?

“ First of all  , there is no democracy in Iraq at all , nor there is any in America itself ! American’s democracy is fake and just a dream even for the American people.  As a matter of fact , the Americans  come to occupy Iraq and secure Israel’s boarders not to liberate Iraq and establish  a democratic regime there  . Many of the leading figures in the Bush administration, who planned the Iraq war and continue to direct the occupation, have the closest political connections to the right-wing Likud government in Israel. President Bush wished it would be not only a quick victory in the war but also a rapid rallying of Iraqis to the American standard afterward. But, we now please admit that the Bush administration's policies in Iraq are a terrible failure. The  administration relies on people who spent their lives outside Iraq. It believes and trusts  them ,  because the outsiders said what the administration wants to hear and they do things welcomed  by their American masters .However, many honest Iraqis do not treat the Americans as liberators but as invaders, and they have begun to resist, particularly in Baghdad to prepare the American people for a long, costly, bloody battle with significant American casualties. Actually the Bush administration's Iraq policy is in trouble and needs some changes. The so-called American democracy is not a solution to the Iraqis who need to step up and take more responsibility for security. By allowing the Americans who are the real  terrorists in the big game  to take hold, they are blowing their chance at becoming a prosperous, free nation.  The only people who can truly safeguard Iraq's infrastructure and interests and put an end to insecurity in Iraq -- are Iraqis themselves. At the end of the day, it's their country and they should unite , sacrifice and stop  their conflicts  for power they have been clamoring for, and exercise it wisely for the welfare of all the Iraqis who have been suffering bitterly for years.

     Do you believe in Federalism especially for the Kurds?

“ I am personally , and this is the case with all honest Iraqis who really  love Iraq , against any project of dividing our beloved country into small federal areas. Of course, this serves the invader’s policy “separate and you will dominate“ .Kurds and Arabs of all sects and religions  are united Iraqis and they should work together for the liberation, peace and stability of Iraq and share its wealth equally. They should not give any chance to their real enemies to divide Iraq and steal its natural resources,  thence weakening the whole country . Federalism in Iraq today is not like the one adopted in other federal countries like Germany , for instance , which has been united after 45 years. Kurds do not seek for real Federalism but for complete separation from the mother country . They are looking for establishing their own independent nation. If federalism would be correctly adopted in Iraq- leading to its stability , we warmly welcome it then.”

       Being outside the country , explain your true feelings

     towards what is going on in Iraq today.

It’s a painful ,  bitter and restless  feeling by all means , seeing my beloved country torn up and its innocent people brutally killed everyday. The Coalition forces are to blame for continuing security problems in Iraq. The situation there is too complicated,  difficult, and precarious - all the reasons why we need help and immediate formation of  a self-rule  government  representing all innocent Iraqis  - not a body chosen by Washington as it has recently happened with the elected Iraqi government  .I think the United Nations should interfere and  send a peacekeeping force to Iraq as soon as possible to put an end to Iraqis’ sufferings and prevent a civil / sectarian war to blow up which is serving nothing but the interests of  Israel and the American-British Coalition. People urgently need services and security which have to go hand in hand,  in addition to a national honest  government to play  a sincere active and  effective role in running the country's affairs  for a stabilized , independent and prosperous Iraq .

One last word ,  I am totally frustrated ,  indeed ,  as there is no hope for near improvement in the Iraqi situation which will result in  losing all our rights in our mother country and starting  somewhere else, at the age of retiring,  to build a new life from zero with no privileges or secure future.

Thank You

  F.F  is an Asst. Prof. who left Iraq before the last war on our beloved country , because she could not endure living under Saddam’s dictatorship .’There is no story, but the injustices and wrongs of Saddam and his gangs were too hard to endure. I just wanted to hear no name of Saddam ,nor sayings or praises of him ; to see no pictures or scenes , to see no palaces or buildings of him. He made us hungry and poor .On the personal level, my family feel in poverty because of him .I wanted to help them financially by working abroad. Now they are better, my father’s pension is enough. ’, she said .

How do you look to the future of Iraq?

    “ I think that it will be a very bright future , in the very long run, but not the near future. I don’t mean to be too optimistic , but the potentialities of the country and its people indicate this. Now, the problem is that the prevailing attitude of people is uncivilized , and far from any sense of civilization .Each group thinks of its own , or even of individual interests regardless of others – something like a jungle! Unless people forget about their belongness  and come to think of the general interest of Iraq , and come to accept others as fellow human beings , Iraq will not have a future , dark or bright.  “

Do you think that the American democracy is the right policy for the new Iraqi government ?

    “Well, I believe that American democracy is the best. It is the democracy that we see in almost all the Western world .However, the problem is not in the American democracy , but in the Iraqis themselves. People in the third world countries have not yet reached that level of civilization , openness and development to be ruled in a democratic way. They need to be ruled by force and dictatorship. American democracy is too civilized for them , is too much for them , and too human too. This does not mean that I belittle the worth of those people , but this is a fact .”

Do you believe in Federalism especially for the Kurds?

“Yes , I do believe in this. The Kurds are the native inhabitants of this region seven thousand years ago , and have the right to have their own country as a nation Yet, this cannot be achieved because it will create a problem for the neighboring countries , i.e., Turkey and Iran .So, the federal system will ensure that right for the Kurds. They have the right to live as they like , as the Arabs have right. The Arabs have no right to impose their own visions on others . We are all human beings after all. Then, there is a very important factor in the Kurdish experience , which is that the Kurds have unified themselves under one identity of being Kurds, regardless of being Muslims or Christians , Shiites or Sunnis .They have one cause. The Arabs , on the other hand , have divided themselves , because there is no cause to unify them .Their only concern is to get positions and authority ( and money )  .”

       Being outside the country , explain your true feelings

     towards what is going on in Iraq today.

         “ I feel very sorry and sad for what goes on in Iraq. I again ascribe it to the lack of  ‘ cause ‘ which may unify people , especially the Arabs ( the Kurds , on the other hand , live in peace ). I wish to know exactly who is behind all this . I’m not convinced with what people say that the American forces are behind it .I think those who lost the glory they had under Saddam’s rule are the ones. They are prepaid to do all this. I do pray that God would save our people from this bloodshed and confusion .”

Thank You

R.R is an Asst. Prof. who left Iraq for financial reasons before the last war on our beloved country. He has no story behind his departure which is worth mentioning.

How do you look to the future of Iraq?

I’m sorry to say through reading the present situation and the real intentions of the occupation that I have a pessimistic view about the future of Iraq. In the short run, Iraq is chaotic ; in the long run , it is suffering poverty.

Do you think that the American democracy is the right policy for the new Iraqi government ?

“American democracy is not a real one even in America itself , so how could it suit a society totally different ? Democracy should spring from the same society to guarantee respecting values , traditions and habits of that society.”

      Do you believe in Federalism especially for the Kurds?

“ Federation was found to unify divided countries who have common economic , security and social interests. Iraq is basically a unified country , so federation is definitely a step towards dividing the country . As for the Kurds , their interests have always been preserved , so it is against them because they will be deprived of interacting with the rest of the community.”

Being outside the country , explain your true feelings towards what is going on in Iraq today.

         “ Worry , sadness and praying to God , but sure of defeating

       stupid Americans.”

Thank You

    'unknown Americans' are provoking civil war in Iraq

By Robert Fisk
04/29/06 "The Independent"

In Syria, the world appears through a glass, darkly. As dark as the smoked windows of the car which takes me to a building on the western side of Damascus where a man I have known for 15 years - we shall call him a "security source", which is the name given by American correspondents to their own powerful intelligence officers - waits with his own ferocious narrative of disaster in Iraq and dangers in the Middle East.
His is a fearful portrait of an America trapped in the bloody sands of Iraq, desperately trying to provoke a civil war around Baghdad in order to reduce its own military casualties. It is a scenario in which Saddam Hussein remains Washington's best friend, in which Syria has struck at the Iraqi insurgents with a ruthlessness that the United State s willfully ignores. And in which Syria's Interior Minister, found shot dead in his office last year, committed suicide because of his own mental instability.

The Americans, my interlocutor suspected, are trying to provoke an Iraqi civil war so that Sunni Muslim insurgents spend their energies killing their Shia co-religionists rather than soldiers of the Western occupation forces. "I swear to you that we have very good information," my source says, finger stabbing the air in front of him. "One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal. Then his car blew up." Impossible, I think to myself. But then I remember how many times Iraqis in Baghdad have told me similar stories. These reports are believed even if they seem unbelievable. And I know where much of the Syrian information is gleaned: from the tens of thousands of Shia Muslim pilgrims who come to pray at the Sayda Zeinab mosque outside Damascus. These men and women come from the slums of Baghdad, Hillah and Iskandariyah as well as the cities of Najaf and Basra. Sunnis from Fallujah and Ramadi also visit Damascus to see friends and relatives and talk freely of American tactics in Iraq.

"There was another man, trained by the Americans for the police. He too was given a mobile and told to drive to an area where there was a crowd - maybe a protest - and to call them and tell them what was happening. Again, his new mobile was not working. So he went to a landline phone and called the Americans and told them: 'Here I am, in the place you sent me and I can tell you what's happening here.' And at that moment there was a big explosion in his car."
Just who these "Americans" might be, my source did not say. In the anarchic and panic-stricken world of Iraq, there are many US groups - including countless outfits supposedly working for the American military and the new Western-backed Iraqi Interior Ministry - who operate outside any laws or rules. No one can account for the murder of 191 university teachers and professors since the 2003 invasion - nor the fact that more than 50 former Iraqi fighter-bomber pilots who attacked Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have been assassinated in their home towns in Iraq in the past three years.

Amid this chaos, a colleague of my source asked me, how could Syria be expected to lessen the number of attacks on Americans inside Iraq? "It was never safe, our border," he said. "During Saddam's time, criminals and Saddam's terrorists crossed our borders to attack our government. I built a wall of earth and sand along the border at that time. But three car bombs from Saddam's agents exploded in Damascus and Tartous- I was the one who captured the criminals responsible. But we couldn't stop them." Now, he told me, the rampart running for hundreds of miles along Syria's border with Iraq had been heightened. "I have had barbed wire put on top and up to now we have caught 1,500 non-Syrian and non-Iraqi Arabs trying to cross and we have stopped 2,700 Syrians from crossing ... Our army is there - but the Iraqi army and the Americans are not there on the other side."

Behind these grave suspicions in Damascus lies the memory of Saddam's long friendship with the United State s. "Our Hafez el-Assad [the former Syrian president who died in 2000] learnt that Saddam, in his early days, met with American officials 20 times in four weeks. This convinced Assad that, in his words, 'Saddam is with the Americans'. Saddam was the biggest helper of the Americans in the Middle East (when he attacked Iran in 1980) after the fall of the Shah. And he still is! After all, he brought the Americans to Iraq!"

So I turn to a story which is more distressing for my sources: the death by shooting of Brigadier General Ghazi Kenaan, former head of Syrian military intelligence in Lebanon - an awesomely powerful position - and Syrian Minister of Interior when his suicide was announced by the Damascus government last year.

Widespread rumours outside Syria suggested that Kenaan was suspected by UN investigators of involvement in the murder of the former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in a massive car bomb in Beirut last year - and that he had been "suicided" by Syrian government agents to prevent him telling the truth. Not so, insisted my original interlocutor. "General Ghazi was a man who believed he could give orders and anything he wanted would happen. Something happened that he could not reconcile - something that made him realise he was not all-powerful. On the day of his death, he went to his office at the Interior Ministry and then he left and went home for half an hour. Then he came back with a pistol. He left a message for his wife in which he said goodbye to her and asked her to look after their children and he said that what he was going to do was 'for the good of Syria'. Then he shot himself in the mouth."

Of Hariri's assassination, Syrian officials like to recall his relationship with the former Iraqi interim prime minister Iyad Alawi - a self-confessed former agent for the CIA and MI6 - and an alleged $20bn arms deal between the Russians and Saudi Arabia in which they claim Hariri was involved. Hariri's Lebanese supporters continue to dismiss the Syrian argument on the grounds that Syria had identified Hariri as the joint author with his friend, French President Jacques Chirac, of the UN Security Council resolution which demanded the retreat of the Syrians from Lebanese territory.

But if the Syrians are understandably obsessed with the American occupation of Iraq, their long hatred for Saddam - something which they shared with most Iraqis - is still intact. When I asked my first "security" source what would happen to the former Iraqi dictator, he replied, banging his fist into his hand: "He will be killed. He will be killed. He will be killed."

2006 Independent News and Media Limited 

As in any war, the war in Iraq, left us a dreadful gallery of horror - images of mutilations that not even doctors can explain.

Majid Al Ghezali They used incredible weapons

Patrick Dillon Experimental weapons?

Majid Al Ghezali Yes… Yes, I think. They shoot the bus. We saw the bus like a cloth, like a wet cloth. It seemed like a Volkswagen, a big bus like a Volkswagen.

This testimony was reported to American filmmaker Patrick Dillon a few weeks after the battle for the airport. The person interviewed, Majid al Ghezali, is a well-known and respected man in Baghdad, who is the first violinist in the city orchestra.

In addition to describing the battle, Majid al Ghezali wanted to show Patrick Dillon the site near the airport where this mysterious weapon was used, along with the traces of fused metal still visible, and the irregularly sized ditches where the cadavers were buried before they were exhumed.

We sought out Majid al Ghezali to hear more details of his story. We met up with him in Amman and he pointed out some inexplicable peculiarities on the bodies of the victims of the battle for the airport.

Majid Al Ghezali Just the head was burnt. In the other parts of the body there wasn’t anything.

Al Ghezali reported that he had seen three passengers in a car, all dead, with their faces and teeth burnt, their clothes intact, and no sign of projectiles.

Majid Al Ghezali There wasn’t any bullet. I saw their teeth, just the teeth, and they had no eyes, all of them, there was nothing on their bodies.

There were other inexplicable aspects: the terrain where the battle took place was dug up by the American military and replaced with other fresh earth; the bodies that were not hit by projectiles had shrunk to just slightly more than one meter in height.

Majid Al Ghezali Except the ones killed by the bullets, most of them became very small. I mean… like that… Something like that.

When we asked Majid what weapon he imagined had been used, he said that he had reached the conclusion that it must have been a laser weapon.

Majid Al Ghezali One year later we heard that they used an update technology, a unique one, like lasers.

We found another disturbing document on the use of mysterious weapons in Iraq, which referred to episodes that took place almost at the same time as those described by Majid al Ghezali.

Saad al Falluji They were 26 in the bus. About 20 of them had no head, the head had been cut, some of them had no arms or no legs. The only unwounded was the driver and really I don’t know how he reach our hospital, because one arm was on his side, one head just beside him. It was a very strange and horrible situation.

In the roof of the car there were parts of the body: intestines, brains, all parts of the body. It was a very very very miserable situation.

Geert Van Moorter (medical doctor working in Iraq during and after the war, as a volunteer for the belgiam NGO Medical Aid fot the Third World) Do you have idea with what kind of weapon the attacked the bus?

Saad al Falluji We don’t know with what kind of weapon they hit this bus.

Doctor n2 It seems to be a new weapon

Saad al Falluji Yes, a new weapon

Doctor n2 They are trying to do experiments on our civilians. Nobody could identify the type of this weapon.

We went to Belgium to find the filmmaker of this sequence, Geert Van Moorter, a doctor working as a volunteer in Iraq.

Geert Van Moorter This footage is taken at the General Teaching Hospital in Hilla, which is about 100 Km from Baghdad, and close to the historical site of Babylon. There I talked with the colleague doctor Saad al Falluji, which is the chief surgeon in that hospital.

Doctor al Falluji said me that the survivors that he operated said him that they did not hear any noise, so there was no explosion to hear, no metal fragments or shrapnels or bullets in their bodies, so they themselves were thinking of some strange kind of weapon which they did not know.

Let’s hear Dr. Saad el Falluji’s story about this in more detail.

Saad al Falluji This bus was very crowded, they were going from Hilla to Kifil, to find their families, but before they had arrived at the American checkpoint the villagers said to them “return back, return back”. When the bus tried to return back it was shot by the checkpoint.

Geert Van Moorter No gunshot wounds?

Saad al Falluji No, no, I don’t know what it was. We are here 10 surgeons and we couldn’t decide which was the weapon that hit this car.

Geert Van Moorter But inside the bodies you did not discover ordinary bullets?

Saad al Falluji We didn’t find bullets, but most of the passengers were dead, so they took them immediately to the refrigerator and we couldn’t dissect and see, but in those who were alive we didn’t find any kind of bullet. We didn’t find bullets in their bodyes.

Doctor n2
Something cutting organs, cutting limbs, attacking the abdomen, attacking the neck and goes out.

Dr. Falluji also ended up speaking about a laser weapon....

Saad al Falluji
I don’t think that the bombing, or the cluster bombs, or the laser weapons can bring democracy to our country.