THE HANDSTAND

SEPTEMBER 2007

CANADIAN DEMOCRACY - "LETS SHARE OUR POLICE FORCES AND THEN WE'LL FIXIT".- DOES THIS REMIND ANYBODY OF THE CURRENT ASPECTS IN IRELAND?

canada: The single worst crime that can be committed in a constitutional democracy

I was going to do a long summary of all the evidence pointing to the use of agents provocateurs at Montebello, but the Quebec police beat me to it and partly owned up.  I say ‘partly’, because they still refuse to admit they used agents provocateurs.  They went from denial, to specific denial of the use of agents provocateurs, to specific admission that they did in fact use informants.  Unfortunately, their admission contains a lie, as they claim the police infiltrators were discovered when they refused to throw rocks at the police, a silly claim as the surrounding protestors were old lefties and union leaders, who in fact were alarmed by the fact that one of the fake protestors had a rock.  The barefaced police lie provides the evidence of guilt I referred to yesterday, that the infiltrators had to be agents provocateurs as one of them was so obviously holding a rock near the police.

The police made a big strategic mistake.  They thought they would be able to mingle with the younger crowd, the people they would call ‘anarchists’, lob the rock from this crowd, and provoke the police attack which would lead to young people being maimed or killed by the vicious police attack.  Instead, the old lefties and union leaders were at the head of the crowd.  When the police agents provocateurs made it to the police line, they hesitated, as a police attack would have resulted in a lot of injured older people and union leaders, hardly the stuff of the nightly news.  The police hadn’t counted on the successful counter-strategy of the protestors, to put the people you can’t beat up next to the police!  The hesitation and indecision led directly to the police being uncovered, at which point they fled behind the police lines.

The use of agents provocateurs to provoke a riot is, along with vote fraud, the single worst crime that can be committed in a constitutional democracy.  The police, and the politicians who instruct them, were attempting to deprive Canadians of their constitutional right to protest and to assemble.  They were attempting to do so in such a way as to denigrate the causes that the protestors stood for.  Even worse, through the use of provoked violence, they were attempting to make people afraid to protest anything in the future.  This is the beginnings of a police state. 

www.xymphora.blogspot.com

COMMENT:Here's an English translation of that 23 Aug 2007 French-language press release at

http:// www.suretequebec.gouv.qc....0070823_02.html

link posted by Xymph.

---begin text----

In response to the video cut shown on Youtube.com internet website, possibly implicating members of the Sûreté du Québec during the Montebello summit, the latter wishes to make certain clarifications. After analysis of the content, in addition to having taken cognizance of videos taken by police forces, [the Sûreté] is now able to confirm that these individuals are policemen, members of the Sûreté du Québec. These last were mandated to find and identfy non-peaceful demonstrators so as to avoid outbursts. The policemen were identified by the demonstrators at the moment where they refused to throw the projectiles [sic].

At no time did the police of the Sûreté du Québec act as agents provocateurs or commit criminal acts. In addition, it is not the policy of the police service nor is it part of its strategies to act in this manner. At all times, they fulfilled their mandate to maintain order and safety.
-------end text----

Kudos to the demonstrators for their exceptionally cool heads in this incipient confrontation; and to union leader Dave Coles for his astuteness and persistence in outing the slimy provocateurs.
Cal Dalton.

When you look at the fairly elderly peace activists, I have an interesting association in mind. It's about the notion of democracy arising out of the Protestant reformation. You can see that these are the sorts of people who run things at the grassroots level, something which is progressively harder for Americans to do, outside of New England villages where town meeting can be the form of government.

Recently in Massachusetts, after the clergy pedophile scandal in which it became clear that the Catholic hierarchy dealt with allegations of abuse by moving around the priests to parishes ignorant of the accusations, a group formed called "Voice of the Faithful." They decided to withhold money to the Cardinal's fund until he was canned. They also organized across parish lines with a goal to both learning about miscreant priests and to hiring pastors themselves. This is what Protestants have already been doing for centuries!

The reaction of the Catholic hierarchy from the Pope on down was: "You aren't allowed to talk to other parishes. You aren't allowed to organize across parish lines and have any lay organizations able to confront us. You are to obey."

Obedience vs. peaceful civil disobedience: this is the crux of the matter. Authority vs. experience.
Force vs. reason.

The purpose of the provacateurs is to "prove" the immaturity and violence of the "mob". So those who (in the sixties) allowed themselves to be drawn into violent confrontation reaped what systems we have today. The looting and burning of the inner cities went on and it did not help anyone. It set things back.
musings


It's Official: Quebec Police Admit Agents Provocateurs Were Undercover Officers

Posted 2007/08/23 | By: Ryan McGreal

CBC has the scoop:

Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday that three of their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.

However, the police force denied allegations its undercover officers were there on Monday to provoke the crowd and instigate violence.

Nonsense. The video footage is quite unambiguous about what the agents were up to: they were trying to incite violence so the police could crack down on the protesters with justification.

The Surete de Quebec press release noted, "It is not in the police force's policies, nor in its strategies, to act in that manner."

That certainly ought to be the case, of course; that the police clearly did so anyway suggests they were taking sides in the political conflict rather than simply upholding the law.

Ryan lives in Hamilton with his family and works as an analyst, web application developer, writer, and journal editor. He is the editor of Raise the Hammer. Ryan also writes occasionally for CanadianContent.Net, and maintains a personal website

www.raisethehammer.org/blog